2008 World Hapkido Championship – Lee Chang Soo
44th Anniversary Hapkido Grand-Master Lee Chang Soo, Demonstration of Grand Master LEE Chang Soo, Master Shin Yun Wook and Master COUET Raphael, Hapkido grand-master Jin jung Kwan, Hapkido JJK.
Gedanate says: This Hapkido demonstration is interesting to watch. They certainly like to make things as spectacular as possible… i.e. when they put a submission hold on their poor Uke, the poor bloke cries out in pain and starts slapping the mats with gusto. From personal experience, I would expect the uke to be accustomed to this kind of treatment. And if the pain holds or arm breaks were really being applied so hard, the ‘defender’ would run out of people to do the demos with him. But it looks grand, doesn’t it?
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@NYJ1337 They could…. they would… but as always no evidence, only agreed demonstration or words of someone who sometimes saw something…!
Till now I have not seen this sort of techniques applied in a fight, and don’t tell me this stuff is too dangerous for the ring!
@mapick2tube That’s because small joint manipulation is not allowed in some MMA competitions. Also, it is more a counter technique that aims to help the user get out of tough situations aka, someone has you by the wrist or such. Again, I do agree it’s unrealistic in most points, but some parts of Hapkido and its similar counterpart Aikido are useful for MMA. (Part 1)
@mapick2tube Jason Delucia showed that it’s true that a lot of Hapkido and Aikido isn’t solely useful in MMA, but he said he pulled off some of it in his fights. It relied on the use of a gi and the stances were too upright and narrow to defend takedowns. Nevertheless, it has proven some effectiveness as it is widely taught to police. Perhaps not against a trained MMA fighter in a ring, but just your average street fighter can be taken down easily by Aikido or Hapkido. (Part 2)
@mapick2tube But also I’ve seen that most Hapkido and Aikido practitioners don’t practice striking too much aside from basics. Also they don’t really do resilient sparring and such like MMA fighters. It’s true a purely Hapkido martial artist would probably get destroyed in MMA, but with a mix from other martial arts, it could prove very useful. Many Hapkido techniques are part of JJ and BJJ (Part 3)
@NYJ1337 My doubt about hapkido, aikido (but also other traditional ma) is the lack of practice against a resistant opponent. I don’t intend a duel to the death, but only for example putting on head gear and try to defend against someone who really tries to hit you, or really want take you to the ground and so on
@NYJ1337 This is the way I steadely train and the times I had to use what I know it worked without problems, instead I think aikido, hapkido and similar spent too much time studing unreal techniques
ahh yes. thats awsome. My teacher calls it the dance of death
way to super over-exaggerate, hapkido is great but you need to finish your opponent with bjj after you throw them
The Grand Master should let go earlier when his opponent taps off.
If Hapkido worked this well against real opponents then Hapkido would dominate MMA competitions and these guys would be millionaires. What real opponent is going to grab your wrist like that?
@RazzMcTazz
got your point but it’s not that easy:
hkd is a self defence – not designed 2 beat anabolic thai- & bjj fighter in 5 rounds.
self defence means all power in 30 seconds. mainly against 1 or more drunk and wannabes (imo a real fighter does not need to fight on the street…)
there are other aspects in self defence (behavior, occuring, eye contact, deescalation…) which are all part of hkd!
Having a throw & lock for every situation takes you decades of training.. 2much for mma.
@dangkoen
yeah you are right. got a lot of respect for grandmasters, but there is no reason to show how much pain you can cause, 3 seconds after the poor guy tapped off… a real master does not need to prove himself by hurting others.
half those things arent even throws. its just the partner jumping and then banging the floor hard so the crowd thinks its great… it aint!
quick question: has anyone really experienced a confrontation on the street where the attacker holds your hands, looks you in the eyes, and lets out a kiai? i haven’t…but i see it a lot in joint-lock martial arts and figured that maybe people get that on a common basis
Ok this is a demonstration but it becames ridiculous with a so evident faking, it seems an old Honk Kong movie! And the ending with a crew to block a thin wooden piece and all down due the tremendous impact!
@RazzMcTazz MMA forbids “small joint locks” so no wrist locks that are common in hapkido or aikido and most other effective forms of self defense.
@Banzai51 they prohibit small joint manipulation meaning fingers, and toes (one must have control of at least 3 fingers or toes) techniques like the kimura in BJJ require you to manipulate the wrist, hapkido and aikido are allowed, but greco roman wrestling and judo are more effective for the cage
the main reason muay thai, jiu jitsu, judo, and wrestling are used and are effective in MMA is not because of any rules, it’s because from day one, these styles force you to fight; if you actually fight you know the importance of this, especially against another style of fighter, many eastern martial arts are not just for fighting, the “do” at the end of many japanese arts means “way of life”
@noesis790
That is so true. In a real fight there is little or no flipping, just the snapping and tearing of joints. I do martial arts and one of the first things they teach us is how to move with the attack so that your training partner doesn’t accidentally destroy you.
This is choreographed that does not happen in real life, check out bjj vs hapkido here on you tube to see how all that stuff goes out the window when a hapkido guy is fucked over and pay attention to what the gracie guy says on the commentry.
totally awesome
fail fail fail.
@RazzMcTazz you are so right, this is not realistic ! people do not attack like robots in real life, i have many yrs in various arts , ilove mma but it is a sport! jeet kune do is my choice for the street , you can go from kicks to punches to grappling and the eye and groin strikes are what makes it different from mma! mma guys always go to there knees after a accidental eye poke.
A+ for over-acting.
i ‘m a taekwando fighter too but i’m not so good^^